Is this an editorial error? CEA for asymptomatic patients? Raises concerns for shenanigans right there, and to include “all cause mortality “ as an endpoint of a purported CV study adds to the concern. I did not read the full publication yet, perhaps there are some redeeming qualities, although at first blush it appears to be activism masquerading as science.
It’s not surprising that this type of study would generate oodles of fodder for media. Schlock sells.
I do wonder about CEA for asymptomatic folks. I’m from the NASCET era and haven’t kept up with that aspect in 20 years, but that sounds a bit curious.
Nonetheless, when M/NP’s have been found in drinking water, beer (!!), wine (!!!), toothpaste(!!!!), salt, and seafood (not surprising) among many other things humans eat/use, it should not be shocking that there would be some bio-accumulative effect. It is interesting that they end up in atheroma, but I wonder where else those bits go. And I wonder what nearly half the cohort were doing to NOT have any show up in their plaques (Vs those that did). And there is still a big black box regarding what predisposes a modern human doing regular human things (ie not actively eating plastic) to have these things end up in your atheroma, as well as the biologic plausibility and mechanism by which these bits actually predispose to CV outcome events downstream.
And the solution seems like something that would require a sea-change of global reckoning. Kinda a climate change level type problem. All of that said, getting a better grasp of what is going on here seems like a general good.
Looking forward to Dr. Mandrola’s take from an appraisal standpoint. As observational studies go, this seems not terrible.
The trial was conducted in Naples, Italy. Perhaps it is their standard of care to treat asymptomatic CEA of a certain stenosis percentage? The asymptomatic part puzzles me as well.
What is the external validity of this study? What are the OVERALL health and economic consequences of the editorialists recommendations? Of more concern is doing carotid surgery in asymtomatic individuals, what is the evidence for that? Was the editorial completly free of political or ideological bias??? ”First do no harm ” should not be misused or abused based on flawed studies.
Is this an editorial error? CEA for asymptomatic patients? Raises concerns for shenanigans right there, and to include “all cause mortality “ as an endpoint of a purported CV study adds to the concern. I did not read the full publication yet, perhaps there are some redeeming qualities, although at first blush it appears to be activism masquerading as science.
It’s not surprising that this type of study would generate oodles of fodder for media. Schlock sells.
I do wonder about CEA for asymptomatic folks. I’m from the NASCET era and haven’t kept up with that aspect in 20 years, but that sounds a bit curious.
Nonetheless, when M/NP’s have been found in drinking water, beer (!!), wine (!!!), toothpaste(!!!!), salt, and seafood (not surprising) among many other things humans eat/use, it should not be shocking that there would be some bio-accumulative effect. It is interesting that they end up in atheroma, but I wonder where else those bits go. And I wonder what nearly half the cohort were doing to NOT have any show up in their plaques (Vs those that did). And there is still a big black box regarding what predisposes a modern human doing regular human things (ie not actively eating plastic) to have these things end up in your atheroma, as well as the biologic plausibility and mechanism by which these bits actually predispose to CV outcome events downstream.
And the solution seems like something that would require a sea-change of global reckoning. Kinda a climate change level type problem. All of that said, getting a better grasp of what is going on here seems like a general good.
Looking forward to Dr. Mandrola’s take from an appraisal standpoint. As observational studies go, this seems not terrible.
@Robird Your comment made me wonder where this type of study could have been conducted. The clinical trial link is http://clinicaltrials.gov/show/NCT05900947
The trial was conducted in Naples, Italy. Perhaps it is their standard of care to treat asymptomatic CEA of a certain stenosis percentage? The asymptomatic part puzzles me as well.
What is the external validity of this study? What are the OVERALL health and economic consequences of the editorialists recommendations? Of more concern is doing carotid surgery in asymtomatic individuals, what is the evidence for that? Was the editorial completly free of political or ideological bias??? ”First do no harm ” should not be misused or abused based on flawed studies.
Suspect it is the usual epidemiologic nonsense.