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Ryan Cooley's avatar

John, I agree with you that primary prevention needs to start earlier in life, BUT the focus should be on the more significant drivers of ASCVD, not cholesterol. The cholesterol-heart theory is a logical fallacy that has been perpetuated for decades.

If cholesterol causes heart disease, then fasting and avoiding sugar and junk food should cause heart disease because that often raises cholesterol, particularly LDL.

Statin trials inadvertently miss a major confounder, insulin resistance, due to the reliance on a glucose-centric metric. LDL....as exciting as it is, with the ability to drive it into the toilet, lacks terrain thinking.

It represents a reductionist lens with which we approach the concept of atherosclerosis causation and prevents the expansion to a more holistic approach; whereby a simultaneous interplay of hormones and the normal state of play of the human body is considered.

You see, insulin resistance is a huge driver generally of high ApoB particle numbers – so the much-lauded correlation between ApoB and poor outcomes…could be mainly due to this aspect. Tricky that. Even after decades of research, I don’t think there’s any data available that tracks ApoB outcomes – specifically when all the other metrics are great, where there is absence of disordered lipid metabolism (either genetically or acquired).

Additionally, the atherogenicity of apoB is not uniform. LP(a) IS AROUND 6-FOLD GREATER THAN THAT OF LDL ON A PER PARTICLE BASIS. Remnants are 5-10 times more atherogenic than LDL. Guess what condition raises remnants? Insulin resistance!

Here are some studies that are relevant:

Effect sizes of low HDL-C and high HDL-C in conjunction with varying levels of TG and LDL-C in the Framingham Offspring cohort showed that LDL levels were irrelevant when TG<100 and high HDL (metabolically healthy).

In the WDHR, 38.7 mg/dL higher LDL-C level was not significantly associated with ASCVD risk in those with CAC=0, whereas it was associated with an 18% increased risk in those with CAC>0. To further support that the presence of coronary atherosclerosis modifies the LDL-C–associated risk for events, a very high LDL-C level (≥193 mg/dL versus <116 mg/dL) was associated with a substantial increased risk of MI and ASCVD in those with CAC>0, whereas no association was found for those with CAC=0. This is in line with previous results from the Multi-Ethnic Study of Atherosclerosis, in which LDL-C level was not associated with future events among asymptomatic individuals with CAC=0 followed for up to 16 years. Indeed, given that atherosclerosis is a multifactorial disease with numerous known risk factors as well as genetic determinants not all patients will develop atherosclerosis despite elevated LDL-C levels. Heterogeneity in the association of LDL-C with coronary artery disease is an inconvenient problem for the "LDL causes ASCVD" crowd. This heterogeneity has also been found in the UK Biobank across the polygenetic background with no association between LDL-C level and coronary heart disease in those with low polygenic cardiovascular risk.

In CLEAR Outcomes study, "Inflammation assessed by hsCRP predicted risk for future cardiovascular events and death more strongly than hyperlipidemia assessed by LDLC." Also, there was no evidence of an association between LDL and cardiovascular death or all-cause mortality.

I have some comments about the studies you reference. There are some irregularities worth noting in the imaging study. There was a high prevalence of central obesity, dyslipidemia (atherogenic), which as stated above, would be consistent with insulin resistance and drive increases in LDL, yet the HOMA-IR was normal. Second, the difference between LDL in the progressors and regressors, was clinically insignificant (136 vs 129).

MR studies rely on strong (often unrealistic) assumptions. One of the many problems with MR is pleiotropy. PCSK9 for example is expressed in many cells and tissues with roles far beyond controlling LDL levels.

Even the supporters of MR have expressed the need for caution. For example, in his recent Editorial, Robert Hegele stated: "Is the assumption of no underlying pleiotropy for any MR that uses common variants ever valid? . . . (1) no scientific method is infallible; and (2) circumspection and vigilance are needed when interpreting MR data." Biology is indeed complex. But this complexity is exactly why we need a better understanding of the disease and its mechanisms, and better controlled studies (with fewer assumptions). These goals are not achieved by MR.

Lastly, a few words about FH. No LDL-C difference exists between FH individuals with and without CVD. No cholesterol-lowering trial has lowered the risk of CVD of people with FH. There are other possible causes. For example. it has been demonstrated that among FH individuals, several factors are

more closely associated with the risk of CVD than LDL-C, and they may indeed be causal.

The commonest and most completely documented are inborn or acquired errors of the

coagulation system and/or other thrombogenic factors, such as increased platelet reactivity.

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Walter Bortz's avatar

I am a Hospitalist and come from a health promotion/ disease prevention background. My blind devotion to this mindset has changed considerably with the recognition that net harm may well come as we look to intercede on a younger population, branding the well with pre-illness. John makes a cogent argument here but I would draw these conclusions with great caution. The absolute versus relative risk reduction paradox lives on.

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